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Autopilot + COM freq. over BT to RS232


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Hi all, there has been a lot of discussions about this, but never resulted in any way.
Is it possible, somehow, to get out from SkyDemon over bluetooth to RS232 converter some data?
From my current Aera 760 i have over serial port connected autopilot and Trig radio so Aera can feed AP with planned track and when i click on airfields com freq it sets stand by freq. But, it is Garmin and their weird navigation point stupid names, airfields without names and so on...

This will be nice to have on SkyDemon, are there some possibilities?
Vitek

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Petertel and Ben, SkyDemon is sending full sentences but clearly they are being truncated somewhere. Are you on Android or iOS?

Petertel I look forward to hearing the results of your test. It's possible there is a MTU related problem where everything we send after the first X characters is simply being discarded.

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Tim Dawson - 2/24/2025 11:49:45 AM
Petertel and Ben, SkyDemon is sending full sentences but clearly they are being truncated somewhere. Are you on Android or iOS?

Petertel I look forward to hearing the results of your test. It's possible there is a MTU related problem where everything we send after the first X characters is simply being discarded.

Dear community, I started a test with 3 HM-10 modules from different brands to send autopilot data on an Android Lenovo M11 tab and an iPad Pro, with interesting results. These are the BLE-Modules:


The modules look the same at first glance, but there are subtle differences. To be clear, all of these modules work
to set the radio frequencies in SkyDemon without any problems.

But now to the result of the output of the autopilot data via these modules. I've always used the same scenario: start the simulation (which brings us close to Tim's HQ) and then a direct-to  "Watchford Farm".

1.) DSD-TECH Modul with iPad (looks good!)


1.) DSD-TECH Modul with Android  (truncated !)


3.) MLT-BT08 with iPad (different sentences but look good)


4.) MLT-BT08 with Android (nearly the same)


5.) BT05 with iPad (truncated no CR LF)


6.) BT05 with Android (truncaded)



That's surprising, isn't it?
SkyDemon versions used: The Lenovo M11 runs 4.0.2.0 and on the iPad and iPhone it's 4.0.4.405.
Regards
Michael


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Tim Dawson - 2/24/2025 11:49:45 AM
Petertel and Ben, SkyDemon is sending full sentences but clearly they are being truncated somewhere. Are you on Android or iOS?

Petertel I look forward to hearing the results of your test. It's possible there is a MTU related problem where everything we send after the first X characters is simply being discarded.

  Hello, I am using a Samsung Galaxy S20 mobile with Android 13 but I have also tried with 2 older Android tablets and the results are the same.
     I have been finding out that the MTU of the CC2541 bluetooth modules that are used by the HM-10 is 20 bytes, but the datasheet clearly indicates that the data packet that can be sent is larger and the module is responsible for packetizing and sending all the data on its own, so this should not be the problem. And the truncated data is exactly 18 bytes in all error frames.

  Additionally, I have tried using an app like nRF to send a data packet much larger than 20 bytes to the HM-10, and it receives all the data perfectly.

   And finally, with the tests that Michael has been able to do with various HM-10 models and Android and iPad, it is very curious how the MLT-08 works well with Android and iPad.

  Michael, can you look at what Bluetooth chip have each of the 3 modules you have tested have?. It is possible that the problem is there.

Regards, Peter.


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Petertel - 2/25/2025 10:42:17 AM
Tim Dawson - 2/24/2025 11:49:45 AM
Petertel and Ben, SkyDemon is sending full sentences but clearly they are being truncated somewhere. Are you on Android or iOS?

Petertel I look forward to hearing the results of your test. It's possible there is a MTU related problem where everything we send after the first X characters is simply being discarded.

  Hello, I am using a Samsung Galaxy S20 mobile with Android 13 but I have also tried with 2 older Android tablets and the results are the same.
     I have been finding out that the MTU of the CC2541 bluetooth modules that are used by the HM-10 is 20 bytes, but the datasheet clearly indicates that the data packet that can be sent is larger and the module is responsible for packetizing and sending all the data on its own, so this should not be the problem. And the truncated data is exactly 18 bytes in all error frames.

  Additionally, I have tried using an app like nRF to send a data packet much larger than 20 bytes to the HM-10, and it receives all the data perfectly.

   And finally, with the tests that Michael has been able to do with various HM-10 models and Android and iPad, it is very curious how the MLT-08 works well with Android and iPad.

  Michael, can you look at what Bluetooth chip have each of the 3 modules you have tested have?. It is possible that the problem is there.

Regards, Peter.


Hi Peter, all 3 BLE clones use (or claim to use) a TI CC2541.




But the firmware versions are different:






I tried sending longer data packets with the DSD TECH app on iPhone, it worked without any problems with all modules. Maybe there's something wrong with the BLE stack in SkyDemon. The different behavior between the Android and iOS versions also suggests this. 
Just a guess. Maybe Tim has an idea.

Regards
Michael

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Tim Dawson - 2/24/2025 11:49:45 AM
Petertel and Ben, SkyDemon is sending full sentences but clearly they are being truncated somewhere. Are you on Android or iOS?

Petertel I look forward to hearing the results of your test. It's possible there is a MTU related problem where everything we send after the first X characters is simply being discarded.



My setup was tested with both iOS and iPadOS.
Also, I added the line breaks into the post. The raw data didn’t contain any CR/LF.
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